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Old 02-20-2007, 01:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Horse Question!

Ok horse people, here's an off the wall question for ya....

In your opinion. How rare is a solid white horse? Im talking pink skin, blue eyes, solid white. Not a grey and not a Creamello. Just white.

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Old 02-20-2007, 01:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Very.

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There aren't any albino horses but here is a wikipedia page about various white horses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_%28horse%29
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Old 02-20-2007, 02:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Really rare? I didnt know.....

I found a yearling Regestered Paint (APHA) colt for sale.... he's solid white.... I was thinking about buying him.

We're making the switch from showing quarter horses to paints and I was sorta looking for a Paint.

This is what he is:

[/quote]Some white horses may actually be Paints or Pintos whose white markings are "fully" or "maximally" expressed, meaning, essentially, that the entire horse is one big white spot. It is thought this can occur with the sabino gene complex, Overo or Tobiano genes. However, some breeds that exihibit sabino patterns, such as the Arabian horse or the Clydesdale horse have not been known to ever produce true white horses, which means that "maximum sabino" may be the result of a different gene. Some argue that that all white horses are simply fully expressed pintos. However, there is also strong evidence that the "W" gene exists independent of any gene for spotting patterns.[[quote]

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A 'paint' white seems to be more an ommission which is like, 'one white spot' but the actual white gene is seperate from that.... so, its kinda a white, kinda not, but not officially one.
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A 'paint' white seems to be more an ommission which is like, 'one white spot' but the actual white gene is seperate from that.... so, its kinda a white, kinda not, but not officially one.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. lol

Still would be pretty cool to own one though... Can you imagine a free style reining class? What a perfect unicorn!

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i don't know if you have ever owned a white horse, but they are a lot of upkeep. especially if you show! i used to breed and show appaloosas. i had one brood mare who had a white face with pink skin and it was horrible to deal with. she couldn't be allowed out in full sun because she would blister and she couldn't go out early in the mornings when dew was on the grass because it broke her nose out. it would be all scabby and ugly. then the white on their bodies.. they are prone to grass stains and even their light colored hooves are hard to keep clean. appaloosas are not allowed to have blackened hooves because you are supposed to display the stripes (especially in cases of solid colors). some of the horses i saw suffered from the runny eye thing too. where it looks like tears and stained their faces. i'm not saying by any means not to get it! just be ready to do a lot of extra grooming and be very particular when you let them out to exercise.
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True whites are extremely rare. As your research shows, there are two "white" genes; overo and sabino. Both of these give us the markings we label "paint" or "pinto". From birth, horses that are white are maximum expressed white from one of these two genes. Such is the case of Artic White, the best-known all white pure thoroughbred stallion. He is a maximum expressed sabino. Gorgeous, eh?



However, he does not carry the dangers of lethal white sydrome that comes with breeding of frame overos (OLWS). He actually has a little color inside his ears, which gave him registration as a paint as well. The problem here is, he can and does routinely throw spots. So if you like mostly white with some spots he's a great cross, or you want a registerable thoroughbred with color. But if you're breeding this "white" horse to get another white, it's just not very likely.

However, in the case of white overos, which is the other way expressed to the max on the white markings, if you breed two of them together you are very likely to produce a foal who cannot survive once foaled. Look up overo lethal white syndrome and you'll learn about a very sad reason there are few fully white horses born that can survive.

Of course, there are pleanty of horses who go white. This is my friend's arabian stallion, who pleanty would think is white. But, he was born bay, went gray, and now is a bespeckled white horse!



Neat, eh?

Edited to add...Jen, if the pure white colt you are looking at is a stallion prospect, PLEASE get him tested to determine if he is overo or sabino. Overo could be a huge heartbreak if he puts white foals on the ground. Definately look at the OLWS angle of it. I have a friend who's family has bred performance paints for decades. While she's a bit blunt and direct in emails, she's really all about the accuracy and a great person. I'm sure she'd be happy to answer your questions or give commentary on bloodlines or other thoughts you might be having. We're talking top-dollar barrel and cow prospects. PM me if you like.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i second what jagular said. one of our horses is a fleabitten grey. always, always dirty unless he's just been groomed. my new horse has a nearly bald face so we'll see how he looks in the summer with sun burn etc.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
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DB that arab is beautiful. You can always try sunscreen...LOL!
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Christy...shhh, but here's a photo of him doing his first ever dressage test this past weekend. He's amazing. He's turning 21 this year, and the judges didn't believe it until they read his papers.

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