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If we don't get any new characters in the toyline by the end of the year then we can say that the whole toyline will be just six characters (5 ponies and the dragon) over and over.

They still had an excuse to not add too many background characters because there were not that many in the movie, but with the first special and the YouTube cartoon that excuse is no longer valid.

Mini World Magic already has a bunch of characters so they clearly have new ponies to add to the main toyline.
I'll agree with some of that. Though I'll also say, that there were certainly enough in the movie to add some more then what they did without presumably straining costs. Especially since the body moulds are all the same for each species, just head and body swaps. If for example they took Zipp and made Zoom and Ruddy, they can pop Hitch's head and tail on a pegasus body and give us Thunder. They can take Trailblazer or Sprout and give us Argyle. They can use Pipp's head for Sugar Moonlight and Phyllis.

I'm also eternally irritated that they're trying to phase out ponies with hair.
 
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I'll agree with some of that. Though I'll also say, that there were certainly enough in the movie to add some more then what they did without presumably straining costs. Especially since the body moulds are all the same for each species, just head and body swaps. If for example they took Zipp and made Zoom and Ruddy, they can pop Hitch's head and tail on a pegasus body and give us Thunder. They can take Trailblazer or Sprout and give us Argyle. They can use Pipp's head for Sugar Moonlight and Phyllis.

I'm also eternally irritated that they're trying to phase out ponies with hair.
Oh my point was that there were not that many ponies that had a big part in the movie itself.
And yes I agree that they already have enough molds to make a lot of different ponies (and the way they make those makes it easy to just make new tails, manes, wings, legs, torsos and heads and mix and match them) so that's not what's stopping them.

And yes I think the small brushables are not available here in Poland and it looks like they may be scarce in USA.
And from bigger ones only Sunny is available for sale.

So I do hope that they do fix it over time. Wouldn't mind them only selling figurines and bigger brushables as long as they do a mix of both.
 
Are we gonna get any new ponies at all, because the stores near where I live only have the same three kinds that they've had since they started making them.
No idea? Although if you don't mind the bowling ball headed ones there's gonna be lots of new toy designs in the Polly Pocket playsets. Have you picked up any yet?


@SweetNightmare That being said, the one boon about all the moulded hair ponies for me at least, is that I can paint them up without having to pay someone to rehair the mane. So there will be a lot of customizing going on for me this gen. Can't find moulded Princess Sunny Starscout to paint up? I can headswap a pegasus with Moonbow. Want a pegasus or boy with long hair? I can headswap that with a Sunny.
 
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No idea? Although if you don't mind the bowling ball headed ones there's gonna be lots of new toy designs in the Polly Pocket playsets. Have you picked up any yet?
Haven't got much money for ponies now days as I can barely afford a new keyboard for my laptop so I gotta go with that instead, but I'll look into them.
 
does anybody else feel just.. kinda odd about how g5 is going? i've really been trying to give it a chance and i have some of the toys and all but like.. i dunno, i really think i kinda just wish they weren't relying so heavily on being such a distanced sequel to g4. like, i read the first two comic issues and it's kind of just painful to look at these characters that were so important to me like 10 years ago that got me through middle school as just...gone.

maybe it's because i've always found mlp as a safe escape from reality but like, between the sort of grief in the comics and the way they seem to be trying to push adult fans away (which still doesn't make sense to me. like... wouldn't they benefit from collectors with adult money?) it just feels like one more thing i would rather ignore, and it sucks, because mlp has been a very special thing to me for a very long time!!!

i dunno. it's just sad i'm at the point where like i get my hopes up every time i have a little extra money and end up in the toy aisle only to find the same couple things practically tucked away behind like, harry potter dolls and lol surprise knockoffs. i'm gonna keep following g5 because like, of course i am, but like idk, i was really hoping for more than this. :sadpony:
 
does anybody else feel just.. kinda odd about how g5 is going? i've really been trying to give it a chance and i have some of the toys and all but like.. i dunno, i really think i kinda just wish they weren't relying so heavily on being such a distanced sequel to g4. like, i read the first two comic issues and it's kind of just painful to look at these characters that were so important to me like 10 years ago that got me through middle school as just...gone.

maybe it's because i've always found mlp as a safe escape from reality but like, between the sort of grief in the comics and the way they seem to be trying to push adult fans away (which still doesn't make sense to me. like... wouldn't they benefit from collectors with adult money?) it just feels like one more thing i would rather ignore, and it sucks, because mlp has been a very special thing to me for a very long time!!!

i dunno. it's just sad i'm at the point where like i get my hopes up every time i have a little extra money and end up in the toy aisle only to find the same couple things practically tucked away behind like, harry potter dolls and lol surprise knockoffs. i'm gonna keep following g5 because like, of course i am, but like idk, i was really hoping for more than this. :sadpony:
Adult fans were never meant to be the focus, it is a Children's Brand. Long time fans are just extra cash in their bank account. Trying to push the brand away from kids and cater to a fringe group of toxic adults was partially what caused its downfall.

Low quality, less focus on good hair, hyper focus on a handful of ponies, although tbf that started with G3's Bore Core, but was never as bad as Mane Suxx obsessiveness. They should have cut off from G4 entirely and started fresh, and for the most part they did. But they still suffer from hyper obsession and trying to get away with using no hair or bad hair.

That part is lazy cheapness, especially when its sibling franchise Transformers becomes better and better every year. Heck, even the return of G.I. Joe knocked it out of the ballpark.

So unless Hasbro steps it up, and puts as much quality, effort, uniqueness and goes back to the collect-em-all mentality MLP will continue to be lackluster.
 
When it comes to professional animation, a lot of the time artists are required to spend like legitimately a few seconds on each frame. Those who take longer can end up out of a job. Hobbyist animators, and I'm sure some small studios as well, can take more time on their animation frames.

That's also why, I'd say, MLP has dropped to this quality. It's an art and an animation style that artists who haven't studied horse anatomy can better grasp, so they don't need to hire more specialized artists, and they don't need to deal as much with non-specialized artists struggling to get the style right.
Meant to says something to this a while back but I forgot to, anyway I recently heard that people are calling this kind of animation California animation and as far as I can tell it usually refers to cheap to produce, low quality and low effort crap just like everything from California animation styles so popular now and I think that if they'd spend a little more money and make a better quality product that more people would be interested in it. Also I find the style a turn off and won't watch anything done in it.


Adult fans were never meant to be the focus, it is a Children's Brand. Long time fans are just extra cash in their bank account. Trying to push the brand away from kids and cater to a fringe group of toxic adults was partially what caused its downfall.
So why is letting adults like the show as well as kids a bad thing again, also not every adult that likes G4 is "toxic" just because some are weird doesn't mean they all are. As afar as its downfall goes it probably has more to do with Hasbro wanting to spend less money on the product going out and get more money coming in, so they cheapen everything going out but keep the prices the same. Also the just constantly remaking the same ponies over and over didn't help ether, they should have made more Celestias and Lunas instead or at least some with the articulated legs.
 
Adult fans were never meant to be the focus, it is a Children's Brand. Long time fans are just extra cash in their bank account. Trying to push the brand away from kids and cater to a fringe group of toxic adults was partially what caused its downfall.

Low quality, less focus on good hair, hyper focus on a handful of ponies, although tbf that started with G3's Bore Core, but was never as bad as Mane Suxx obsessiveness. They should have cut off from G4 entirely and started fresh, and for the most part they did. But they still suffer from hyper obsession and trying to get away with using no hair or bad hair.

That part is lazy cheapness, especially when its sibling franchise Transformers becomes better and better every year. Heck, even the return of G.I. Joe knocked it out of the ballpark.

So unless Hasbro steps it up, and puts as much quality, effort, uniqueness and goes back to the collect-em-all mentality MLP will continue to be lackluster.

Generally agree with this, but I get Lunchpunk's point, too. It hurts to see things that you love retired. Some of us have seen it multiple times now.:( I personally also hate all the plastic. MLP is one of only two (plastic) toy franchises I will allow in my house, and it's cause I have such affection for them from the past.
 
Meant to says something to this a while back but I forgot to, anyway I recently heard that people are calling this kind of animation California animation and as far as I can tell it usually refers to cheap to produce, low quality and low effort crap just like everything from California animation styles so popular now and I think that if they'd spend a little more money and make a better quality product that more people would be interested in it. Also I find the style a turn off and won't watch anything done in it.



So why is letting adults like the show as well as kids a bad thing again, also not every adult that likes G4 is "toxic" just because some are weird doesn't mean they all are. As afar as its downfall goes it probably has more to do with Hasbro wanting to spend less money on the product going out and get more money coming in, so they cheapen everything going out but keep the prices the same. Also the just constantly remaking the same ponies over and over didn't help ether, they should have made more Celestias and Lunas instead or at least some with the articulated legs.
I'm not talking about all the adults, just the toxic turds who had to go make it all....well you know rude and squicky. The fact that Hasbro catered to them in some of the worst ways with, censoring Megan's crotch with a bushwoolie nm she's just a kid, pony body pillows and mean spirited jabs should have never been allowed.

Generally agree with this, but I get Lunchpunk's point, too. It hurts to see things that you love retired. Some of us have seen it multiple times now.:( I personally also hate all the plastic. MLP is one of only two (plastic) toy franchises I will allow in my house, and it's cause I have such affection for them from the past.
Well things move on. And especially in this brand, and can you REALLY say G4 is retired when they keep shoving the mane suxx in the current toyline? And presumably the toon? FIM needs to be over, believe it or not people do get tired of seeing the same six toys on the shelves ad nauseam for years. This has always been a brand where new and interesting toys were on the shelves up until 3.5. They don't pull this kinda stuff with transformers, so why MLP?
 
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I'm not talking about all the adults, just the toxic turds who had to go make it all....well you know rude and squicky. The fact that Hasbro catered to them in some of the worst ways with, censoring Megan's crotch with a bushwoolie nm she's just a kid, pony body pillows and mean spirited jabs should have never been allowed.
Never heard about the first thing, if I ever see body pillows it's always made by a third party, also I haven't seen any mean spirited jabs but I see nothing really wrong with it, I mean I say that kind of stuff about my own crap that's why my art thread is named what it is.


Also from what I've been seeing they've been dropping the quality of pony stuff since half way through G4 and G5 seems to be getting even cheaper, and given these thoughts I'm thinking that Hasbro isn't as taken with ponies as they used to be and are siphoning the money off from ponies and putting into franchises that make more money, in the end it's all about the money and whatever gets the most of it gets the most spent on it, and since MLP is no longer the flavor of the month so they get way less money.
 
Never heard about the first thing, if I ever see body pillows it's always made by a third party, also I haven't seen any mean spirited jabs but I see nothing really wrong with it, I mean I say that kind of stuff about my own crap that's why my art thread is named what it is.


Also from what I've been seeing they've been dropping the quality of pony stuff since half way through G4 and G5 seems to be getting even cheaper, and given these thoughts I'm thinking that Hasbro isn't as taken with ponies as they used to be and are siphoning the money off from ponies and putting into franchises that make more money, in the end it's all about the money and whatever gets the most of it gets the most spent on it, and since MLP is no longer the flavor of the month so they get way less money.
They showed a body pillow in the show itself. And I already mentioned Hasbro's cheap laziness in my first post on the matter. Now, moving on since I don't wanna risk dragging it into an argument with you. ^_^'
 
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Meant to says something to this a while back but I forgot to, anyway I recently heard that people are calling this kind of animation California animation and as far as I can tell it usually refers to cheap to produce, low quality and low effort crap just like everything from California animation styles so popular now and I think that if they'd spend a little more money and make a better quality product that more people would be interested in it. Also I find the style a turn off and won't watch anything done in it.



So why is letting adults like the show as well as kids a bad thing again, also not every adult that likes G4 is "toxic" just because some are weird doesn't mean they all are. As afar as its downfall goes it probably has more to do with Hasbro wanting to spend less money on the product going out and get more money coming in, so they cheapen everything going out but keep the prices the same. Also the just constantly remaking the same ponies over and over didn't help ether, they should have made more Celestias and Lunas instead or at least some with the articulated legs.
I think the style you’re talking about is usually referred to as the CalArt style, which isn’t really referring to the cost or quality of it or anything, it’s actually just used to mean that a lot of the young people going into animation are the students coming out of the California Institute of the Arts (hence CalArts) and they all seem to have a similar look to their art which makes sense since they learned from the same teachers and using the same programs. And sometimes shows with this style do seem lazy or low budget, but not always (Star vs the Forces of Evil is an example with the CalArt style that is really well made and fun) it just depends on the artists/writers working on each show :smile:
 
Meant to says something to this a while back but I forgot to, anyway I recently heard that people are calling this kind of animation California animation and as far as I can tell it usually refers to cheap to produce, low quality and low effort crap just like everything from California animation styles so popular now and I think that if they'd spend a little more money and make a better quality product that more people would be interested in it. Also I find the style a turn off and won't watch anything done in it.
Okay, so this is why the whole "CalArts style!" label is so dumb. It has no meaning. Somehow it's gone from "art that has a certain style of mouth, like Gravity Falls and Steven Universe" to "I dunno, made in California and . . . is cheap?"

MLP Make Your Mark is animated in Vancouver, British Columbia using CGI models made in Ireland and MLP Tell Your Tale is from a studio based in Malaysia, but they have a British studio as well. G4 MLP was animated in Vancouver (one studio) and the Philippines (two studios). You will often see animation done in countries with a lower minimum wage, which is nothing new; that's also why G1 MLP 'n Friends and many other 80s television cartoons were animated in South Korea instead of the US. (To be clear, being made overseas is cheaper in the sense of "costs less money than a similar product in the US would", but it doesn't automatically mean "bad animation." Batman The Animated series and the entire Disney Afternoon were made overseas too.)

As far as adults liking MLP, sure they can like it. But ultimately this is a toyline (and associated media) aimed at kids, and that's fine. (Kids still deserve nice things so, yeah, give MLPs better hair quality, Hasbro.) Hasbro is happy when adults buy toys or merch, but the vast majority of their sales come from kids or from adults buying toys for kids' birthdays etc.) The MLP FIM cartoon nosedived in quality when they started including in-jokes for adults. Although the bigger problem is they ran out of things for the main characters to do as they achieved their goals. So then they tried to switch focus to the students but for some reason barely merchandised them?? Weird. IMO they should've ended the show after Season 3 or 4, which would've been the length of an average Hasbro show.

I started out loving the G4 cartoon (even though it wasn't perfect) but I was sooo tired of the Mane Six by the end. I wish I could look back on G4 and say "Gee I wish they'd had more episodes" instead of "FINALLY they're dead :)", lol. I hope G5 runs for about three seasons.

Regarding the IDW comics, imo they are insecure about whether they can retain their readers without heavily referencing G4. Maybe their readers are mostly adults, or maybe IDW simply believes they are. (It does seem VERY difficult to get comics into kids' hands unless an adult in the family happens to be a comic collector; like, they aren't sold in Target or grocery stores so most kids are never going to see comic books, right?) I don't like the close G4 tie-in with the comics either. They don't seem to understand the new characters, so they're like "Izzy is lonely and doesn't tell anyone! Sunny is a history nerd!", and it feels like they reeeeally wanted to write Fluttershy and Twilight Sparkle and just superimposed Izzy and Sunny's colors over them, you know what I mean? Another odd moment was Pipp wanting to tell her followers the truth about the crystal being crystalnapped and Zipp is like "No! The truth will frighten them too much!" and I'm just like . . . have the IDW writers even seen the G5 movie?

I don't think the cartoon will be as closely connected. They never even say Twilight Sparkle's name in the G5 movie and a little kid could watch and understand it without ever seeing any of G4. Which was surely the intent. From what I've heard, Hasbro nixed a lot of more direct G4 elements and wouldn't even let the movie people show the Tree of Harmony (which was the pink-leafed tree Sunny and Izzy ran by in their travel montage) until it was changed to just kind of look like the Tree of Harmony. I think the implication of the single apple tree they found was that was all that was left of Ponyville / Applejack's farm. That's the level of reference I like . . . Something that's totally unobtrusive for new viewers but which also implies "EVERYTHING OLD IS DESTROOOOYED" for older viewers. I'm a big fan of fictional dystopias where everything falls into ruin so it makes me happy.
 
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Oh, are you toybin reviews Sky?
No. I’m too camera shy to have a YouTube channel. ;) It just popped up on my feed because I watched a couple videos of theirs about the Hidden Dissectables and Kwistal Fwends.
If she is, she started 5 years before joining us.
Been collecting ponies for life. ;p
 
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