I don't know. Let's just have a big huge SJW discussion

[Sapphire Rain]

Ehhh I was about to put "feminism" instead of a sarcastic insult to activists but.
I don't wanna just talk about issues pertaining to misogyny. I wanna talk about a lot of different things!

It may sound funny, considering the gravity of such things but I find it fun to talk with other
people about issues we have in our respective societies that pertain to people.

Really! It's fun! Even if one sour grape comes in and goes, "you're just making stuff up/blowing it
out of proportion/being cr*zy SJWs/other insensitive statement" it's fun to look at another person and go
"yeah, I've noticed this important issue too and here's my take on it."


So here. Here's the thread where we all talk about some of the oppressions we may face,
or something we saw that contributed to an oppression, or just support the people who
deal with oppression. Fire away!

(Although because I'm scared people will start telling others to respect others' opinions
when there's no disrespect going on, I'm going to put a disclaimer here that you need to be
nice.)
((Also I wanna put that if I give my viewpoint in response to yours, that's all I am doing,
I am not disrespecting their opinion.)) Ok PSAs over let's talk!

 

[Marble Dragon]

I'm struggling with the "mans world." Every career I've been interested in is difficult for women. Merchant marines, film director, hard hat diver. Everyone I talk to that knows about the industry says, "you'll be searching for a job for awhile because company owners and studios are still old fashioned." Why, why can't we get past this????!!!!

And the sad part is...after going through a rough patch with my old job working on boats, without realizing it I became so very angry and hateful towards men in general....until I finally caught myself and set myself straight. (So don't be afraid gentlemen I was being just silly!)

On a funnier note I know some doomsday preppers that I like to good-naturedly tease. I think Some folks so badly want society to change that they pray for the fall of civilization...my boyfriend is one. He so badly wants to be in a zombie apocalypse. And I keep thinking just one day in zombie land and he will wish for his video games and burger joints again.

On the other hand, prepping sounds like good fun...

 

[The Cleo Collector]

I guess I struggle with being aromatic asexual and gender neutral. Where I am from people almost expect you to dress like your sex and apparently go on dates and marry and reproduce. If You don't fit in with that your weird or broken. I have people tell me that its in the bible to want to have a mate or something. I am not pulling any religious strings but I don't think anything like that is in there. Also I am tiring to figure out when you don't get or want, need a relationship of the courting nature to end up with a mate at some point. Why it is so hard to believe this. Also I was born female and tech still am however I don't think of myself as either or. I prefer to be neutral on things and I dress as I feel. I have been ragged on by family, friends and even people I don't know for dressing not in my gender or dressing strangely.

I don't really get why your suppost to Love thy neighbor but all around they want to say we love you but you must fall in this group or be shunned.

 

[Marble Dragon]

I guess I struggle with being aromatic asexual and gender neutral. Where I am from people almost expect you to dress like your sex and apparently go on dates and marry and reproduce. If You don't fit in with that your weird or broken. I have people tell me that its in the bible to want to have a mate or something. I am not pulling any religious strings but I don't think anything like that is in there. Also I am tiring to figure out when you don't get or want, need a relationship of the courting nature to end up with a mate at some point. Why it is so hard to believe this. Also I was born female and tech still am however I don't think of myself as either or. I prefer to be neutral on things and I dress as I feel. I have been ragged on by family, friends and even people I don't know for dressing not in my gender or dressing strangely.

I don't really get why your suppost to Love thy neighbor but all around they want to say we love you but you must fall in this group or be shunned.

*hugs* I don't think you are weird at all! I have several friends that live very happily dressing as either gender and living without spouses. Besides, you have doggies. They are all you need

 

[Sapphire Rain]

I guess I struggle with being aromatic asexual and gender neutral. Where I am from people almost expect you to dress like your sex and apparently go on dates and marry and reproduce. If You don't fit in with that your weird or broken. I have people tell me that its in the bible to want to have a mate or something. I am not pulling any religious strings but I don't think anything like that is in there. Also I am tiring to figure out when you don't get or want, need a relationship of the courting nature to end up with a mate at some point. Why it is so hard to believe this.

Ughhh this sort of thing SUCKS. I'm currently questioning being aromantic (but not ace) if that makes you feel better but.

I don't get why people do this either. It's natural to like and want different things in life, people actually do good in getting this until you say you don't

want something that THEY want.

Also, pulling out the Bible and acting like you have the same beliefs with no knowledge if this is the case with you is literally

like if I pulled out a Princess Celestia figure and said "But she said that you have to...!"


Religion DOES NOT WORK that way. Really. All my Christian friends and family can back me up on this.

Also I was born female and tech still am however I don't think of myself as either or. I prefer to be neutral on things and I dress as I feel. I have been ragged on by family, friends and even people I don't know for dressing not in my gender or dressing strangely.

I'm also AFAB non binary and lemme give you hugs for this!! I don't think my family minds my gender, but I don't think they.....get it. You know?
Like okay I know I still present pretty "female", I love being super femme and having long hair + I don't wear binders etc. But that does not make me your DAUGHTER.
My mom tries, I understand but when she does slip up she never corrects herself. It hurts.

I'm struggling with the "mans world." Every career I've been interested in is difficult for women. Merchant marines, film director, hard hat diver. Everyone I talk to that knows about the industry says, "you'll be searching for a job for awhile because company owners and studios are still old fashioned." Why, why can't we get past this????!!!!

I can't tell ya honestly. To me it’s kind of a no-brainer that women should be equally considered for jobs they apply for as men of the same qualifications but. Apparently that’s just too darn hard to get into peoples’ brains!


Or maybe, they do understand this but they do the opposite because they want society to go even more backwards. /eternally shrugs

On a funnier note I know some doomsday preppers that I like to good-naturedly tease. I think Some folks so badly want society to change that they pray for the fall of civilization...my boyfriend is one. He so badly wants to be in a zombie apocalypse. And I keep thinking just one day in zombie land and he will wish for his video games and burger joints again.


On the other hand, prepping sounds like good fun...

Tee hee sometimes I think, hey I play video games! I know how to handle zombies. No big whoop.

….And then I remember that in Left 4 Dead 2, I can only survive an average of 11 minutes.

 

[evilbunnyfoofoo]

Sadly we still live in a world where people can be very judgmental and determined to force folks into molds they feel comfortable with. Until everyone can realize that one size does not fit all, be it racial, religious, gender or sexuality based, we're going to continue to have strife.

It hurts me because I am more than willing to help anyone, but know that should some discover that I am a bisexual in a 14 year relationship with my beautiful female partner, they would turn on me, regardless of how good I have been to them. My existence should not and WILL NOT be defined by whom I love. My heart does not understand any boundaries. My love is without limit and is all embracing. I don't judge others for their lives, I only want the same respect.

As it is, I have to be closeted. My partner could lose her job, we could be shunned socially or worse, people could very well choose to hurt us. Just because we have chosen to follow our hearts. It's sad. But I have hope that every new generation will become more accepting, and the older people will see that they don't have to hate and we can eventually rid ourselves of the plague of distrust and prejudice.

 

[Mimic]

Just popping in to clarify something; I'm in no way trying to spark a religious argument.

I have people tell me that its in the bible to want to have a mate or something. I am not pulling any religious strings but I don't think anything like that is in there.

^ You are correct, Ology. The apostle Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 7 that it's good for a man (or woman) to not marry, but if he/she can't stand being alone, they should marry rather than 'burn with passion'. That isn't the exact translation, but it's as close as I can get without making it inappropriate for the board. ^__^" There is nothing that says, 'Thou shalt have a spouse or burn in hell." (Thank God, because I have no interest in romance whatsoever.)
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back under my rock.
- Mimic

 

[Sapphire Rain]

Sadly we still live in a world where people can be very judgmental and determined to force folks into molds they feel comfortable with. Until everyone can realize that one size does not fit all, be it racial, religious, gender or sexuality based, we're going to continue to have strife.

It hurts me because I am more than willing to help anyone, but know that should some discover that I am a bisexual in a 14 year relationship with my beautiful female partner, they would turn on me, regardless of how good I have been to them. My existence should not and WILL NOT be defined by whom I love. My heart does not understand any boundaries. My love is without limit and is all embracing. I don't judge others for their lives, I only want the same respect.

As it is, I have to be closeted. My partner could lose her job, we could be shunned socially or worse, people could very well choose to hurt us. Just because we have chosen to follow our hearts. It's sad. But I have hope that every new generation will become more accepting, and the older people will see that they don't have to hate and we can eventually rid ourselves of the plague of distrust and prejudice.

Paaaahhhh this sort of thing makes me SO MAD. It's so not normal to have to pretend to not exist basically just because of other people.
That's why I get mad when people start attacking minorities who dare to ask for just basic human rights....I'm sick of being called a sjw or "femi****"
for telling people to respect me.

There is nothing that says, 'Thou shalt have a spouse or burn in hell." (Thank God, because I have no interest in romance whatsoever.)
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back under my rock.
- Mimic

Why are you so EXPENSIVE? ;__;

 

[evilbunnyfoofoo]

Our Mimic is even more valuable than the plastic one, for our MLPTP Mimic is priceless!

 

[Marble Dragon]

Sadly we still live in a world where people can be very judgmental and determined to force folks into molds they feel comfortable with. Until everyone can realize that one size does not fit all, be it racial, religious, gender or sexuality based, we're going to continue to have strife.

It hurts me because I am more than willing to help anyone, but know that should some discover that I am a bisexual in a 14 year relationship with my beautiful female partner, they would turn on me, regardless of how good I have been to them. My existence should not and WILL NOT be defined by whom I love. My heart does not understand any boundaries. My love is without limit and is all embracing. I don't judge others for their lives, I only want the same respect.

As it is, I have to be closeted. My partner could lose her job, we could be shunned socially or worse, people could very well choose to hurt us. Just because we have chosen to follow our hearts. It's sad. But I have hope that every new generation will become more accepting, and the older people will see that they don't have to hate and we can eventually rid ourselves of the plague of distrust and prejudice.

You poor thing! Well, I am open and all of my 20-30 year old friends are open, so I'm hopeful that it will get better!


Here's a funny cartoon called How to Suck at your Religion:
(NOTE: mild profanity)
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion

 

[Marble Dragon]

hmm, i'll start another one.

I know this guy that so badly wants to be in the military but because he has tatoos on his hands, he can't. So he involves himself in all kinds of "military-like" activities and games like airsoft, combat training, private military contracting companies, etc. I wish I could say that he wants to join the military to defend his country and all that, but all I can see is a guy that plays too many video games and wants to live in a video game without realizing how the world actually works. I guarantee that one bullet whizzing past his ear, and this guy will get a horrible wake-up call. It makes me wonder if other people go in the military for that reason. After all, people are usually pretty young that go in. Maybe modern entertainment is giving young people the wrong idea about what war is really like and what defending our country really means.

Any thoughts?

 

[Sapphire Rain]

hmm, i'll start another one.

I know this guy that so badly wants to be in the military but because he has tatoos on his hands, he can't. So he involves himself in all kinds of "military-like" activities and games like airsoft, combat training, private military contracting companies, etc. I wish I could say that he wants to join the military to defend his country and all that, but all I can see is a guy that plays too many video games and wants to live in a video game without realizing how the world actually works. I guarantee that one bullet whizzing past his ear, and this guy will get a horrible wake-up call. It makes me wonder if other people go in the military for that reason. After all, people are usually pretty young that go in. Maybe modern entertainment is giving young people the wrong idea about what war is really like and what defending our country really means.

Any thoughts?

I guess I don't see the problem? I mean...it stinks that he can't join for such a trivial reason but if he's using video games as an outlet instead it's probably a good idea.

 

[h1m3.]

I'm glad that Finland (finally) did make a law that same sex can marry each other! I do not see any wrong in that and I feel weird and disgusted that some think it is wrong. It won't take away their stuff, happiness or anything at all when people loves each other. And saying it is againt bible or some other religion is really lame excuse (I do not want to say any stronger words here but this argument really gets me mad ). At least Christian bible can be interpret so many ways that there is always a loop hole to any excuses and stuff for example to start a war... -.-Religion is no excuse to hurt other people (mentally or physically).

hmm, i'll start another one.

I know this guy that so badly wants to be in the military but because he has tatoos on his hands, he can't. So he involves himself in all kinds of "military-like" activities and games like airsoft, combat training, private military contracting companies, etc. I wish I could say that he wants to join the military to defend his country and all that, but all I can see is a guy that plays too many video games and wants to live in a video game without realizing how the world actually works. I guarantee that one bullet whizzing past his ear, and this guy will get a horrible wake-up call. It makes me wonder if other people go in the military for that reason. After all, people are usually pretty young that go in. Maybe modern entertainment is giving young people the wrong idea about what war is really like and what defending our country really means.

Any thoughts?

I just "love" this tattoo thing. How come if you got little bit ink you can't do this and that? Or you are categorized as ex-prisoner or something like that. Ofc if the tattoos represent some gang etc then I myself would categorize him/her as "bad" people (I admit it ) but some flower hat aunts can't do original business with people who had tattoos because they think it is ugly (like they would care your opinion about their body) and who would want to ruin their skins or he/she is bad people or it will look bad when you are older. C'mon who really looks that pretty when they are all wrinkled up or do their really care they looks that much in that age.. I'm no against tattoos and it is weird that you can't work here here or there because of the tattoos you got...

Back to the topic then I too think that war games tend to create somekind of illusions of how wars are fought. That doesn't include to all people, some people do reconize the difference. I gues this guy would probably be really shocked after first dead or live situation. My granpa fought in Finland-Russia winter war (that was fought in 1939-1940) and he got in situation when he have to choose either he or the Russian guy have to die. And, I must say luckily, he survived (because I would not be here otherwise). Still when telling the story he gets all emotianally sad while thinking it. Because it was other mans life even though it was the enemy. Killing a people is totally different thing that killing someone in the game (or getting wounded etc.). I think some people go to the army because they want that game thrill and in the end get that wake up call and will quit or either man up. Other know what they will face ahead (or at least think).
About Americas military and "protecting" their country gets me sometimes just roll my eyes..
Then again if he can't go to the army I guess there is nothing bad to do thing he finds interesting as long as it is only in the games etc. and the violence won't spread to real people and real life that would harm somebody

 

[SoSoftMagicStar]

I wasn't expecting to see gender and ace/aro stuff discussed here!! My main one is definitely my neurodiversities: being autistic and mentally ill. I group my asexuality and gender expression (agender) into that, because for me, the neurodiverse/autistic way I see the world influences how I see gender and sexuality. Lately I have been having a hard time because I don't really feel like I'll be accepted if I let my whole personality out because of how I flap, move around, the voice tones I use and sounds I make, etc. I have also been struggling with the fact that the only androgynous representation involves having a flat chest and masculine clothing. It feels invalidating that I only meet other agender people who present masculine. (i'm not gonna ask people to change their self expression of course, but it'd be really helpful to have some kind of representation of that, like in media.)

 

[Sapphire Rain]

@SoSoftMagicStar

Hugs a lot!!

I feel really bad for people who look at autistics flapping and judge us.
To me, if you see something negative in a flapping person instead of pure happiness
it just means that you haven't felt happy enough to flap before! (If it helps to think about that at least.)

Also I so so feel you on the transmasc thing. I'm probably the most femme non binary
person out there, + it stinks to think that a lot of people won't recognize my gender identity
just because I have long hair and no binder!

 

[SoSoftMagicStar]

@SoSoftMagicStar

Hugs a lot!!

I feel really bad for people who look at autistics flapping and judge us.
To me, if you see something negative in a flapping person instead of pure happiness
it just means that you haven't felt happy enough to flap before! (If it helps to think about that at least.)

Also I so so feel you on the transmasc thing. I'm probably the most femme non binary
person out there, + it stinks to think that a lot of people won't recognize my gender identity
just because I have long hair and no binder!

It's honestly so comforting just to run into someone that understands. So thank you for replying. And I agree...it's kind of funny, as a kid I did what many non-binary kids do and rejected all things feminine with a passion, today, just a couple years out of recognizing my internalized misogyny, and I am in my most feminine phase ever with interests....when I was a "tomboy" I used to brag that I never had "that pony phase every other girl seemed to have" Now I'm an adult and it feels like catching up on all the pink, frilly, bow-clad, adorable things I missed.

 

[Sapphire Rain]

Oh, SAME. When I was in the first grade I actually wrote a paper on how much I hated MLP......Oh the irony!
But I didn't know how else to reject gender roles at the time.

Now look at me. I'm a pink, glitter-y, MLP hoarding enby!