What was Fiesta Flair supposed to be? Any pics?

Here is my photo collage, in case anyone wants to see more pics.
fiestaflair.jpg


And the video:
http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/default.cfm?page=survey&src=MLPEMHT09911[/img]
 
Oh she's too cute!!!

It's kinda like the whole Speedy Gonzalez thing. They wouldn't play any cartoons w/him on TV after some kind of scandal. Myself being 1/2 Mexican would have loved to have a "fiesta" themed pony. I must go read the topic on the Arena......I missed it somehow.
 
Never bothered to watch that before. Thanks for the link:) Apparently Pinkie Pie has magical dandruff. That's the funniest thing I've seen all day.
 
goddessofpeep said:
Never bothered to watch that before. Thanks for the link:) Apparently Pinkie Pie has magical dandruff. That's the funniest thing I've seen all day.
No problem. LOL magical dandruff!
 
kateles said:
did any of this happen over Kimono??

That's what I thought. Kimono, Rainbow Dash, Wigwam.. if Fiesta Flair is "racist", then these ponies are all "racist" too.

I tell ya', some people.. :nodno:
 
Well wigwam is a pony of the 80s .. thats kinda history to bring him up..

We have access to lawyers anytime now.. If our child gets a splinter, we flip out. Everyone has equal rights to vocalize what is right or wrong in the world. It purely depends on who is going to be listened to..

And really cmon.. We don't know if the whole reason the mexican pony didn't get made because of that..

What next.. The pegasus with the bubbles symbol didn't get made because theres a contraversy against overweight people because you have to be thin to wear yellow polka dotted bikinis?

Lets stop making up things. And if it is an issue that hasbro wants to share because they think they would be a little bit racist, pro homosexual, pro making girls needing to look sexy at a young age .. Pro cloning or whatever ... Then they will share it.
 
maybe it's because I live in San Diego, but I can see nothing but benefits to Hasbro releasing a Mexican-styled pony. Besides, there is nothing offensive about it, it's just displaying the culture. so what?



Now if they made a remake of G1 Minty, drinking a bottle of ale or something.. yeah maybe someone (or everyone) Irish would get pissed, but for this I see no problem.
 
what about dora? is she a stereotype? Why is she ok but not a pony?
 
Or you could mention Sunny Salsa.
I think the issue with stereotyping is that society thinks it is not ok to poke fun at minority groups that have been mistreated, but making fun of the British (Rainbow Dash) or the French (Pepe LePew) is ok, because they have not been oppressed as groups for an extended time for hundreds of years.

I do not consider Fiesta Flair offensive, she just seems like a sad attempt to draw Dora viewers, but people are more upset about her because Hasbro pitifully drew her name, symbol, accent and possibly coloring all from mexican/latin culture in an attempt for attention. They don't do this with many ponies, so it seems to have stood out more and upset people. It isn't really racist, just in some ways a generalization. Sort of a steriotype, but not really in the negative or traditional sense of the word. I don't really care if they release her, but I like her colors. I prefer ponies to be a little less like people, like with the G1s. I don't think ponies really have different races, or any sexuality to speak of, or enemies, or politics, or enfeeblement and I prefer them to be less complicated than real life, except in fanfics/customs. They are entertainment for children, and an escape from our crazy world for collectors. Although it would be nice to introduce concepts such as embracing differences early on (not mere tolerance) I do not think it is Hasbro's or the ponies place to get into it in depth. To be honest, I am afraid they would not handle it very well, and only increase racism and intolerance by using stereotypes. I have an article here that makes some interesting points on the subject (even though I am not in love with the source) that I will put at the end of my post. I think realistic handlings of the issue should be left to programs like Sesame Street that actually know what they are doing and aren't in it just for the profit.

Or, if Hasbro could subtley incorporate other accents and such it might work, like with Rainbow Dash. Or how Mattel made a big sickeningly sweet deal about Barbie's friend Becky being in a wheelchair, but fortunately, on her re-release, made a bigger deal about her being the school photographer, and gave her packaging like the other barbies (rather than a background that looked like a firstgrader's drawing) and I don't think "disabilities" are mentioned at all on the second box. She is a normal doll that happens to be differently-abled.

Fiesta Flair could be remade with her over the top accent toned down a bit and perhaps a symbol that has to do with an interest, like Becky the Photographer. If Hasbro doesn't know what they are doing it is best not to hit people over the head with something like this, subtlety is key. Kids respond better to that and are less afraid. I remember being fine around people that were different than me, until school and tv made a point to "teach" me about it. Then I was afraid of the kids in wheelchairs. But I suppose not all kids have parents as open-minded as mine.

I think being PC has gotten silly in recent years, but there are still some people who are extremely insensitive to others. It is a delicate balance, which is difficult for cartoons that depend on exaggeration.

ANYWAYS....Here is the article and some definitions. Feel free to skip over my extremely long post. Sometimes I don't know when to stop typing. LOL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48872,00.html

ster·e·o·type
A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.

rac·ism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

prej·u·dice
The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions.
Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion

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Lets stop making up things. And if it is an issue that hasbro wants to share because they think they would be a little bit racist, pro homosexual, pro making girls needing to look sexy at a young age .. Pro cloning or whatever ... Then they will share it.

I don't see a problem in talking about it because this sort of thing happens pretty often.

I really, realllllllly want Hasbro to make Halloween ponies. Maybe one named Pumpkin Spice or Pumpkin Pie or something harmless like that.

I think the issue with stereotyping is that it is not ok to poke fun at minority groups that have been mistreated, but making fun of the British (Rainbow Dash) or the French (Pepe LePew) is ok, because they have not been oppressed as groups for an extended time for hundreds of years.

I don't see how that's fair at all. If you say one thing is offensive for one group then you should consider it all offensive.

Maraccas are an instrument. Fiesta Flare's interest is playing the maraccas.

I'm Native American. Wigwam does not offend me. In fact, I would like to see more culture in toys today.
 
As I recall, Fiesta flare had a mexican accent in whatever she was seen in and it is thought that it was stereotypical and might be considered rasist.

WTF kinda hokey **** is that? Its a freakin plastic toy. I so hate PC :evil: although i do wonder if that is why there is only ONE black pony made by hasbro and it wasnt for sale to the general public.... well ya you could order her but..u know what i mean

they cancel halloween ponies but release bright night - i dont get hasbro :?

did any of this happen over Kimono??

i do think there was some hub bub about her being japanese and offensive - i dont see it - she is freakin purple and last time i looked japanese people werent puple with tinsel in their hair and lanturns on their butts...but whatever :roll:
 
I think the issue with stereotyping is that it is not ok to poke fun at minority groups that have been mistreated, but making fun of the British (Rainbow Dash) or the French (Pepe LePew) is ok, because they have not been oppressed as groups for an extended time for hundreds of years.

I don't see how that's fair at all. If you say one thing is offensive for one group then you should consider it all offensive.

No, no I totally agree! What I meant is that's what society tends to think today. My wording was terribly unclear, and I apologize for that. In fact, I tried to edit that very sentence, but the stupid post started deleting itself as I typed (I have that annoying problem with Microsoft Word sometimes. You go to add something in an earlier spot, and it starts deleting the stuff after it as you type) so I just gave up and hoped people would understand my meaning. LOL clearly not. Sorry again.

There, I edited my original post. :)

Maraccas are an instrument. Fiesta Flare's interest is playing the maraccas.

I think the issue some people originally had with her was that she has nothing to her besides her culture, and then just things that are considered to be stereotypes, stuff that North Americans and Europeans might know about. There would probably have been less hubub if the main focus weren't her culture, and she just happened to be Mexican. Maybe people would be happier with her if she were more traditional, or had interests unrelated to her culture or universal as well as cultural interests. Rainbow Dash's rainbows aren't really associated with England, just her accent is. See, it feels like Hasbro was either trying too hard, or not trying hard enough by researching further.

I don't really have oppinions about all this myself, just guesses and interpretations about what I've heard to fill in those who missed it, or may not have thought of certain possibilities. If I really cared I wouldn't deny it, I am just sick of so much extreme sensitivity and insensitivity. Fiesta Flair isn't my favorite pony, but she is pretty. I am just running out of $$$ to buy all the new releases. I wish Hasbro would take a year or two off. *ducks flying fakies* :D
 
AAAh, there it is. Now I don't have to try to vaguely remember what others said. (notice I didn't post in it. I was just trying to get accross the basics of the various arguments posted in that thread and elsewhere, but now it doesn't really matter, because I finally found it)

I think this is the thread:
http://www.mlparena.com/Forums/view...order=asc/highlight=fiesta+flair/start=0.html

thegrumpysnail made a good comment before things got really ugly. (and locked)

Hasbro could definitely have a more multicultural approach without such an obvious shove to get a new market that they aren't likely to get anyway.
*things then got ugly*


On that note, LOL I think Flippity Flop might make a good base for a custom. Right color eyes and body, only she should have pink hearts in her eyes rather than pink stars, but that would be easy to fix.
 
mlpMerriweather said:
(I have that annoying problem with Microsoft Word sometimes. You go to add something in an earlier spot, and it starts deleting the stuff after it as you type) so I just gave up and hoped people would understand my meaning. LOL clearly not. Sorry again.

Click the insert button, should sort it!! :wink:
 
nickeline said:
Uh, can't you guys see the irony in totally flying off the handle (i.e. being way too sensitive) while accusing others of being too sensitive? :lol:

Seriously, take some of your own advice. It's just a silly issue through and through.

That said, anyone have a pic of her they'll post?

N.

yeaaaaaaaah about that, lol...Idk what the heck happened to me yesterday, I just thought it was so stupid, plus I was in a bad mood anyway, lol.
 
Yeah, this whole thing reminds me of an episode of The Office (US version) where Michael asks Oscar if he'd rather be called something less offensive than "Mexican".
 
SoSoftClaire said:
Yeah, this whole thing reminds me of an episode of The Office (US version) where Michael asks Oscar if he'd rather be called something less offensive than "Mexican".

Ha! I love that episode!
 
SoSoftClaire said:
Yeah, this whole thing reminds me of an episode of The Office (US version) where Michael asks Oscar if he'd rather be called something less offensive than "Mexican".

A great example of how being politically correct can sometimes be much more insulting.

It's one of those darned if you do - darned if you don't situations. You put a recognizable ethnic character in the lot, and you get called out for stereotyping. You omit all characters that have cultural qualities, you get called out for racism for not being diverse enough. :roll: If people want to be offended, they'll find something to be offended about.
 
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